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In the episode "The Leadership Breakfast" Toby : _"They're coming for us, Leo."_ Leo : _"I know."_ Toby : _"I mean they're coming for us now."_ Leo : _"Toby, if you knew what it was like getting him to run the first time."_ Toby : _"I know."_ Leo : _"Like pushing molasses up a sandy hill."_ Definitive proof Toby knew President Bartlet had to be convinced to run for President. Either the writers forgot or Toby lied to cover his other biases against Santos...

Great scene but the phone is a weak spot in the script. No way a very, very cautious guy like Neil who goes to great lengths flying under the radar would even have a landline. Even less call his main crime partners home from this line.

Toby's finest moment? It's Fozie bear, not fuzzy bear

“No, Toby, I wouldn’t give it a lot of thought”. NEVER say that to Toby!😂

Why they didn't think Toby - one of the smartest political operators in DC - wouldn't figure it out and be PISSED he was kept out of the loop was just ridiculous naivete on Leo's part.

I hate NBC for this.....Leo and Barlet were the backbone.....this totally screwed up the show

This completely ignores how Washington had to be convinced to be the first president of the US. He wanted to go home to Mount Vernon and stay there after the war, but got dragged back for the Constitutional Convention. Then got dragged back to be President. And when given the opportunity to stay, he left. This is why I hate what the writers did with Toby post-Sorkin. This completely ignores American history to try and create drama between Toby and Josh. Plus add in the "Willing to throw out the baby with the bathwater" attitude of him not liking Santos just because he spoke in favor of ethanol subsidies in s6, and you get a miserable representation of what the writers thought leftists were like. The part where he says "8 packets of splenda and you couldn't spring for a bagel?" is a perfect encapsulation of that. The guy is getting free coffee, and he's bitching about no bagel? That shows how miserable they made him, turning him into the type of person that would rather the other guy win than vote for someone who doesn't 100% pass his purity test. And that's not even taking into account the whole military shuttle leak storyline. Schiff deserved so much better than what the writers gave him.

Every actor is at the top of their game; a masterpiece.

Toby's right about this. It's a double-edged sword. You need a level of hubris and arrogance to push through the criticism and opposition to function at that level, but it's also the reason an 81 year old who clearly cannot perform his duties had to be dragged out of the White House kicking and screaming. He's spent 40 years of his life certain that "destiny demanded this service". He wasn't just going to accept it was over.

"Why does Kamala think Joe isn't going to run for a second term?"

I have always been impressed with the passion of Toby Zeigler. And he always supported his passion with facts and with logic. Nothing was a joke to him. His humor was filled with dark, thought provoking sarcasm. When he spoke, people listened to him. And when he was in a scene, I was compelled to watch him.

"I'm just.... just gonna take that crab puff."

This is why Biden isn't stepping down.

Who's Toby right now?

George Washington never wanted to be President. Not for his first term, even less for his second. Toby is wrong. Not wanting to be President, shouldn't disqualify anybody. It might be the only real sign that a person is doing it for the right reasons.

Just giving the actor credit for playing wall-ball so smooth.

Is Leo shutting Toby down throughout these scenes, or does he legit think that Toby is pointlessly obsessing over that nasty, nasty creature John Hoynes?

I love Richard Schiff for the way he can speak so softly yet carry a deadly intensity.

The quality of the actor who demonstrates 'catching ' that idea without a word spoken or character to play to. Richard makes it look so easy. How many takes?

Josh tempted the wrath.

Fake President covered up his medical condition from the voting public or a real President who covers up his relations with at least 2 porn stars from the voting public and his pregnant wife. All this because his "grab them by the p...." comment which he actually did by r..... a women.

Some of the finest acting in television history

This is post-Sorkin Toby, so it's not as smart as we expect it to be. Shakespeare knew better: Some men are born great. Some become great. And some have greatness thrust upon them! (And that's from a comedy.)

I haven't seen the dems this mad since the Republicans freed the dems' slaves.

Keep your damn mouth shut until Leo has left.

This is Toby being stupid. You NEVER KNOW 100%. Until they get the job. Until you see them in action. Bad writing.

Always in love with Tobey

The biggest misstep this series took at the end was having Santos win.

OH He's saying "Seltzer" - a brand of Carbonated Water. As a British Guy, for the last five years, I've been hearing him saying *Salsa*.

A great moment yes but I'd say fixing social security and not taking the credit was his finest, followed closely by the homeless vets funeral.

There's an amazingly funny book called How to Fight Presidents, a well researched comedy book. Author, Daniel O'Brien, makes the point that this, what's happening here in this scene, is the problem with the American Presidency. To achieve it, you'd almost certainly have to be a megalomaniac. The personality that survives the battle to become president is, very often, not the type of person we want to wield that much power.

Actually, VP "Cactus Jack" Garner ran against his president, FDR, in 1940... as did his former campaign manager and postmaster general, Jim Farley, in that same primary period. Grover Cleveland lived in dread of his vice president, Adlai Stevenson, too: the gold bug vs. the silver beetle.

Toby doesn't realize that Bartlet only ran for President when Leo talked him into it.

"Only those that do not seek power are qualified to hold it."

I didn't realize that they switched roles when Fitzwallace was killed. Leo was gung ho about blowing up everything and Barlet would not go along.

There is NOTHING like a good strategic thinker. They can see through smoke, fog and steel…. Thank you Toby. This show taught me so much and I didn’t even know it at the time,

what did he mean about Eisenhower and Nixon? My history ain't that good

the spectral sound of the ball bouncing at the end symbolizing toby's deduction is another example of first rate west wing. easily in the top five for best shows ever made.

Finest moment... He has so many. Remember saving social security?

You ever get that feeling that you know something is wrong? It tears you apart, soul searching even. Fishing out questions to the people involved in the problem? Then you put all the pieces together, and it becomes the worst possible scenario? It is in these moments that you pray that you are not right.

LOL toby was a sucker & it wasn't his finest moment he should have figured this all out long before he even asked the VP. The irony of this scene in today's biden wh lol either for the head or the spare.... LOL roflmfao

is funny when you have smart people working under you... perhaps you forget how smart they are sometimes...

1:01 That look up from the laptop is one of my favorite moments of the entire show. Toby doesn't know what he's figured out yet, but he's figured something out.

Wait.. Eric Stratton became Vice President?

Toby's finest moment:_quote_ "...I certainly hope so."....in response to the president saying every homeless vet would be coming out of the woodwork for assistance/ recognition.

IMHO, the finest drama ever made, simply superb.

I stopped by this house before, haven’t been inside yet. Malibu is a beautiful scene with little traffic

How much would a house like that go for today? Certainly no less than several million?

The entire second season of The West Wing is some of the finest television of all time.

I always felt Toby was the consciousnesses of the West Wing…always strived for what was right